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hello this is martin willis welcome to

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the show you know

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every year

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it seems to cause a problem with the

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daylight savings time thing and that's

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what happened today with our guests uh

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they don't change that over in england

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and so it all got messed up and luckily

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i was able to reach him so

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we're not well we're about 20 minutes

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late it's not that it could have been

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much worse could have been a whole hour

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so here we are with our guest mark ali

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and he has uh

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he has studied

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these ancient crystal skulls in human

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heads but he's also done all kinds of

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things uh and we're going to be talking

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about that very he's a fascinating i've

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listened to a show where he was on a

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fascinating guest so i'm really looking

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forward to this and i have kind of a

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crystal skull story i want to talk to

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him about as we go along so this is the

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everything else show and

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uh every single time i do one of these

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everything else shows someone puts in

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the comment down below well

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nothing about ufos i'm not well guess

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what he has some stories about ufos or

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some connection ufos we're going to

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touch on that too so

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you can't say that this time so here he

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mark welcome to the show

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thank you

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nice to be

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here actually

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well that's all right you know is that

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uh i'm so glad because the u.s

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is uh as uh let's see i think it's

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the fall

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uh fall this coming year is the last

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i'm thrilled about it you know i talked

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to a friend and she was upset saying no

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i get up early in the morning and walk

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and it's well you know what she'll just

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have to sleep in a little bit that's all

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so yeah it always messes everything up

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so i'm really glad we're not doing that

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anymore but thank you so much for uh

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joining the show tonight and i want to

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tell you just i know we're going to be

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talking about all kinds of things but

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uh i

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expo 67 in quebec canada

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10 15 years after i went up with a

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we went up on motorcycles when i used to

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do that years ago and i remember going

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through expo 67 and in some room

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we went into and there was an ancient

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skull and it said it could be

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5 000 crystal skull could be 5 000 years

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old they didn't know from central

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america and i was mesmerized i remember

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of all the things that i looked at that

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day that

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moved me the most when i thought wow

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this thing could be over a thousand

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so uh humans have always had a

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fascination with the the head and the

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skull right i mean yep yeah so yeah

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let's let's hear a little bit first

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about your background and what got you

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interested in the topic

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okay uh well he said essentially i'm an

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archaeologist it's what i've been for

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many years uh it's what i do

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professionally um so obviously i'm

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interested in old things and there's an

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awful lot of schools out there that are

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that we have evidence for it would be a

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so i came up with the idea um under

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lockdown when we had the whole covid

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thing of um going back in time and

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looking at all these different skulls

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and using that as a thread to examine

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what humans were up to and

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their belief systems and

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you know what they were doing in the

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past and it's proven to be

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really revealing very very revealing um

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i extended it a little bit into images

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of the human skull and the human head

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and i've got a crystal skull of my own

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as well i acquired one mine's nowhere

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near as old as ten thousand years it's

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it's probably just uh pre-columbian it's

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probably maybe five to seven hundred

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years somewhere in that bracket now let

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me just ask you this before we move on

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from that

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uh from what you're saying right now is

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i understand because i'm an appraiser

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but i understand you can easily date

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things like pottery and you know wood

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and things like that but when it comes

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to stone and crystal you can never age

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that as far as when humans intervened

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with it so do you just use like the

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machinery used i mean the tools used how

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do you date us crystal skull yeah if you

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find yourself confronted with a crystal

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skull the the obvious thing to do

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is look at it for evidence of machine

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manufacture if there's any kind of

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machine any kind of turning lathes

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these things you will find some kind of

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manufacturing marks which essentially is

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is what they've done with various

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schools at the british museum

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and other schools around the world and a

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lot of these have got what they say are

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19th century tool marks um but then

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obviously machine made then somebody has

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taken an awful lot of trouble to select

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the right crystal to make the right

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features to produce something of great

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beauty and obviously great importance

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so the one i've got is handmade it's

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highly polished and as far as we can

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tell there are very few marks on it at

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um i mean if you went to look at

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something like the mitchell hedges

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school that

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nearly said that um

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and there are no marks they can't find

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any marks on that at all so you then

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face with with the obvious conclusion

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that somebody venerated this thing

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whoever manufactured it then went to

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great pains to to get rid of all the

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marks off it and that takes a long time

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it working with it and then of course

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where it came from and i happen to know

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that sort of two owners back mine

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originated in south america so it comes

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from the the right place and it comes

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from it comes from the mayans if if

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truth be known um and the crystal you

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can type the crystal you can analyze it

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to find out where else where in the

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world that particular type of crystals

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found and mine south american so

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there are ways of narrowing it down

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um there's a new technique for dating

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stone that looks at uh moisture in stone

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and moisture loss i see but that's still

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in development and uh obviously it's

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quite expensive so i've not really had

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that done on mine um but you can only be

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reasonably confident i suppose you could

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say you could be 75 80 percent confident

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what's real and what isn't real and

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there's an awful lot of ones that are

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definitely not real knocking around out

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there at the moment yeah right right

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here i was just a few weeks ago right at

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the oh i was uh in belize and and down

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at the mayan ruins uh so anyway uh

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i want you to continue but before you do

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you talked about your skull being about

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500 years older somewhere around there

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do you have that handy where you can

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just grab it and pick it up in front of

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the camera or is that uh

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no it's in storage it's in storage

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i'll tell you what that was

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ahead of the show but no it's it's a

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good opportunity for a plug because it

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actually appears in the book which i've

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just written crystal skulls and human

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so folks actually want to see it there's

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a whopping great big photo of mine in

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there um so you could see that yeah and

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that's by flying disc press uh blind

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mantle a great friend of this show and

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uh i think i believe he's watching right

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now oh

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yeah

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it was it was philip that that sort of

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gave me a nudge and when uh they're

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waiting for you they're waiting for the

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interview you know i'm like

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that's right

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so thanks to philip for getting the ball

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rolling that's right that's right so all

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right so i wanted you to continue along

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you have this 500 year old skull

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did you acquire it before you get

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interested in the in the topic or was

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this something you look for once you get

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interested in the topic well i mean it's

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a good question i actually started

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getting interested in the topic um as

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long ago as a 1970 series that we had

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over here called arthur c clarke's

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mysterious world if anybody gets that

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book the thing on the front cover is the

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mitchell hedges skull so that was my

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interest um you know i mean i'm not as

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old as i look but you know 1970s i was

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old enough as a teenager to appreciate

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what was what was going on at that time

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and i really really took an interest in

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that um and then at the same time is

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that happening i was also on an

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archaeological dig over here where we

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had somewhere in the order i think was

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about 128

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monastic skeletons exposed and excavated

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it was the largest monastic dig in

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europe at the time

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that was norton priory that was up here

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in the mersey valley i was on that for

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about four or five years on and off um

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so i had a lot of contact a lot of

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connections with human remains i did a

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few others as well i've dug in

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prehistoric sites and i've done a friary

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and one of two other bits and bobs and

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you do start to notice differences in

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human skulls

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and then eventually of course you you

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start to widen broaden your horizons i i

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too have been to south america

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um i i went to chichen itza and cobra

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and one or two other places

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um but i never got to see any of the

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parakas schools because it's the perak

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of schools that really nailed it for me

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um and i've got a shout out to eric von

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daniken for that one because there's an

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enormous peraka skill that appears in

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one of his books

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the big ones about three times the

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capacity the cranial capacity of a

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normal human being um that just

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absolutely blew me away so um

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me being me while i was under lockdown

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just went absolutely bonkers and went

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off and researched as much as i could

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possibly find on every single human head

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you could possibly imagine

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and the result is crystal skulls and

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human heads uh i did it as a powerpoint

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originally i mean i've been doing it

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sort of on and off as an archaeological

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presentation for about maybe eight or

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ten years but to actually get the

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background to it bulk up the science and

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actually bring it forward as a book i

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think it's worked all right i think it's

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come out okay anyway that's that's

296
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that's the plug that philip wanted for

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the book in there anyway

298
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i can't not talk about the book that's

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right that's right so there's also been

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um i have heard this that there's also

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been

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um

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i don't want to say conspiracies but

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there's been thoughts that there's

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something more going on with these

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skulls than just skulls have you yes

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yeah can you talk about some of uh the

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mythology on that um well it's gonna be

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it's gone a bit beyond mythology um

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we're at the stage now what struck me is

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that um some guys over here in the uk

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have found a way of writing data in five

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dimensions into glass on a glass disk

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it's not something you can read at home

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it's something they do with their

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laboratory gear but they know they can

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write this stuff

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and and the terabyte ability of these

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disks is absolutely phenomenal um

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they're huge they're about i don't know

321
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30 times what you'd find on a normal cd

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but they're written into glass glass is

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silicon

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so there's always been this thing going

325
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around that oh you know when the 13 like

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big schools all get brought together

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that are all ancient and they'll unite

328
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and all this information will come out

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and and you know a lot of the science

330
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and community and history community are

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like i don't really see how that's going

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to be possible

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but now if we had the ability to be able

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to read

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quartz and read quote silica we'd be

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able to get some form of data back out

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of it i i i'm amazed nobody's actually

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trying it at the moment somebody should

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be having a go at it with the

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developments it's i think it's

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southampton university that came up with

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this this uh disc that and

343
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you know they should be looking at the

344
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idea of maybe taking that further but

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then the more you look into that the

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more you look into into silicon and what

347
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have you um we yes with carbon-based

348
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life forms and all the rest of it but

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we're essentially living in a silicon

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world

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everything around us seems to revolve

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around silica so you've got you know

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glass in your windows you've got

354
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microchips in your computers you've got

355
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you know once you start to think about

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what's got that melted sand in it

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the crystal aspect of it starts to take

358
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on a sort of a story of its own i mean

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the actual subtitle to the crystal

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skulls and human heads is the mystical

361
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history of glass and the end of the

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world

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because somewhere hidden in that mystery

364
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is the beginning of the world is the

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world we live in now and also the end of

366
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the world we live in now whenever that

367
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comes and it's not going to happen

368
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tomorrow don't worry about it don't

369
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don't panic um

370
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so that was sort of what i was looking

371
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at and and one of the things that just

372
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as a matter of trivia that had to come

373
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out i was i was looking at well

374
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what part does silica play in us you

375
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know

376
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and then i discovered that if you're

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deficient when you're developing

378
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the thing that comes out wrong if you

379
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like at the end because of silica

380
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deficiency

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is the brain

382
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so you're like whoa hold on a minute

383
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that's that's that's it that's the

384
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connection that's the silica the crystal

385
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is required for a human being that's

386
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developing to build its brain that's

387
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absolutely mind-blowing how on earth did

388
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they know that when they started banging

389
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out these crystal heads so they're

390
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making correct representations of the

391
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correct substance in the correct way but

392
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they're doing it before they have the

393
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technology to really appreciate that

394
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so it's little gems like that the books

395
00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:00,959
just peppered with things like that and

396
00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:02,399
i know people are going to get hold of

397
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it it's not an enormously long book and

398
00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:06,399
it's very easy to read but it's one of

399
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those things where you're going to have

400
00:14:12,150 --> 00:14:09,519
sort of a wow moment a sort of mini

401
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revelation on on every page and that was

402
00:14:16,629 --> 00:14:15,040
the kind of journey i was having um

403
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i think the other important one as well

404
00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:19,120
was um there's been a lot of debate over

405
00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:21,680
whether the human skulls are stretched

406
00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:24,320
whether they're artificially made bigger

407
00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:27,600
or whether they're naturally that size

408
00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:29,040
uh and what i discovered is it's

409
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actually both uh it looks like the

410
00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:33,440
natural sized ones came first which is

411
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what you'd expect and they're born that

412
00:14:40,949 --> 00:14:37,920
way with these enormous craniums um but

413
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then people started copying that because

414
00:14:44,230 --> 00:14:42,720
it obviously gave them some kind of

415
00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,240
advantage and that advantage was

416
00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:46,800
respected and it was encouraged and then

417
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they started copying it but then sadly

418
00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:51,199
the guys with the enormous heads

419
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:54,079
eventually became extinct not all that

420
00:14:57,670 --> 00:14:56,240
long ago either

421
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and that seems to be what's happened so

422
00:15:01,509 --> 00:14:59,360
now they've continued to do the

423
00:15:03,829 --> 00:15:01,519
elongation it's it's still done in

424
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certain parts of the world but it must

425
00:15:08,470 --> 00:15:05,920
offer a superior

426
00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:08,480
human being at the end of the day um so

427
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:09,839
again there's a section in the book that

428
00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:11,519
looks at the brain and what effect those

429
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:13,519
extra sized craniums would have on the

430
00:15:16,870 --> 00:15:14,320
brain

431
00:15:18,790 --> 00:15:16,880
um are they aliens that's the big

432
00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:18,800
question which everyone's gonna ask and

433
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and the answer is

434
00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:22,160
no they're not

435
00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:25,279
aliens from mars or venus or you know

436
00:15:29,590 --> 00:15:26,800
what anywhere else

437
00:15:32,069 --> 00:15:29,600
but are they alien to us yes they are

438
00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:32,079
alien to us because their dna

439
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and their actual physical structure the

440
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:35,519
structure of these heads the bone

441
00:15:41,269 --> 00:15:38,560
structure is completely different

442
00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:41,279
from us but that now again is not so

443
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:42,880
unusual because they're coming up with

444
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:44,880
this idea of the lord of the rings type

445
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:46,800
world in ancient times

446
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where there were many different

447
00:15:51,749 --> 00:15:50,240
varieties of human beings the same way

448
00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:51,759
as there's many different varieties of

449
00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:54,160
all species on earth yeah so they're

450
00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:56,000
definitely not alls

451
00:15:58,710 --> 00:15:57,360
yeah

452
00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:58,720
i don't know does that answer the

453
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:01,360
question i hope yeah yes it does and

454
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:03,759
and uh we have a couple of uh people

455
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:05,920
posting questions in chat and thank you

456
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:08,000
for putting that in caps i'll put that

457
00:16:12,069 --> 00:16:10,160
up uh we may be able to even take in a

458
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:12,079
half hour so maybe it'll take a couple

459
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:13,440
of calls i have

460
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:17,040
my own type of thing but as well um so

461
00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:18,639
um

462
00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:22,160
i'm just wondering when you were uh

463
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,560
looking into archaeology in general i

464
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:26,480
mean your study of it one of the things

465
00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:28,720
i've said or thought about a number of

466
00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:31,680
times is it seems like the human

467
00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:34,800
the modern uh homo sapiens as we know

468
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:37,839
them today seem to develop awful fast

469
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:39,920
for all you hear

470
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:42,000
a lot of times in science that it's only

471
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:43,920
we're only like a hundred thousand years

472
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or two hundred thousand year old species

473
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,000
does it seem kind of curious to you that

474
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we could develop

475
00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:56,310
is that just

476
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uh

477
00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:59,519
it's it's it's a very very good question

478
00:17:01,910 --> 00:17:00,639
because i

479
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:01,920
i don't

480
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,480
but what i do say in the book is that

481
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:08,160
the whole

482
00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:11,520
science of dating and dating periods and

483
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:13,120
time periods

484
00:17:17,669 --> 00:17:15,439
is actually a lot more fluid than than

485
00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:17,679
most people think it's not

486
00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:20,079
literally written in stone that you know

487
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:22,480
just because carbon 14 says that it's

488
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:24,799
whatever that that is exactly how old it

489
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:26,720
is it's fluid there's a certain amount

490
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:28,480
of fluidity in that

491
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,039
and i'm not entirely convinced that

492
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:33,360
everything evolves one thing after

493
00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:35,440
another after another after another

494
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:38,080
there's definite modification and

495
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:41,760
changes in species and species you know

496
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:42,720
react

497
00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:44,000
you know

498
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:45,919
to fit the environment that they find

499
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,000
themselves in and we we do exactly the

500
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:50,240
same thing but that's not to say that at

501
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:52,799
some point in the distant past we didn't

502
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:55,440
have the majority of the species alive

503
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:57,919
all at the same time and that really

504
00:18:02,710 --> 00:17:59,760
does muddy the water

505
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:02,720
because there's a lot of gaps in the in

506
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,440
the chronology sometimes even if you go

507
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,520
by the hundreds of thousands of years

508
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:09,200
you can end up with a gap of two hundred

509
00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:11,200
thousand three hundred thousand years

510
00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:13,120
between the dating on one species and

511
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:14,720
the dating on another

512
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:16,080
and at the end of the day it might just

513
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:17,679
be that we don't have a fossil for that

514
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:19,679
or you know we haven't found it yet you

515
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:22,320
know that that bits just missing or

516
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:24,000
maybe the whole lot was alive all at

517
00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:25,039
once

518
00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:25,919
which

519
00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:27,919
again is a theory that you know since

520
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:29,520
darwin people don't seem to have really

521
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,919
gone for that um everyone's like oh we

522
00:18:35,029 --> 00:18:33,280
can't go down that route you know that's

523
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:35,039
that's creationist it's biblical and all

524
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:36,480
this stuff the other well actually there

525
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,160
is a scientific version of it called

526
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:40,799
panspermia which is the idea that the

527
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:42,960
plant the planet's seeded and then

528
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:44,640
develops from that

529
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:45,360
so

530
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:51,200
about roughly at the same time or

531
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:53,360
couldn't have occurred after some form

532
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:56,320
of uh cataclysmic event like a meteorite

533
00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:58,559
strike or a comet strike or whatever and

534
00:19:02,870 --> 00:18:59,919
then what we're seeing now is that world

535
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:02,880
recovered afterwards so um i don't think

536
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:04,640
we're necessarily

537
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:07,120
a tremendously young species

538
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:08,720
but i don't think in the past we were

539
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:11,919
the dominant species not by any means um

540
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:13,440
i think there were human beings that

541
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:14,400
that

542
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:17,120
yeah would make us look like you know

543
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:19,600
rabbits compared to

544
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:21,039
you know these guys with the big heads

545
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,240
must have been absolutely incredible

546
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,160
when you imagine that you know what's

547
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:26,240
what the brain's capable of and all of a

548
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,600
sudden someone comes along goes guess

549
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:29,440
what my brain's three times bigger than

550
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:31,919
your brain and you're like oh what on

551
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,840
earth does that mean you know

552
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,520
and we look at these fabulous things

553
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,520
from the past and we wonder at them in

554
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:39,679
absolute or you know how did they map

555
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,679
the planets how did they move that 300

556
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:44,000
ton block halfway up the wall and you

557
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:45,440
know we look at all these things these

558
00:19:49,270 --> 00:19:46,960
guys probably just sat there and worked

559
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,280
it out you know if you've got 10 of them

560
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:51,200
in a room and they're all they've all

561
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:53,039
got super computers and they've all got

562
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,679
different skills because we're a varied

563
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:57,679
species there's no reason why they

564
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:59,360
couldn't work out how to you know build

565
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,880
a pyramid over a cup of coffee on a

566
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:02,960
sunday afternoon because these guys are

567
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,960
incredible you know they're absolutely

568
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:07,200
amazing um that's another problem with

569
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,960
archaeology as well we wrestle with a

570
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:10,880
lot of difficulties and a lot of

571
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:13,039
mysteries because we have the

572
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:14,799
information missing

573
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:17,039
it's not there you know we're trying to

574
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,520
fill in the gaps and until we have some

575
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:22,080
evidence that is still going to be not

576
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,039
there

577
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,200
so we're trying to work out how things

578
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:27,120
are done and dates and ages and things

579
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,240
like that

580
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:30,799
and the gaps are just thwarting us on

581
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:32,880
every turn you know it doesn't always

582
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,720
work out that we can we can work out how

583
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:36,640
something is

584
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:38,799
yeah i was just uh recently

585
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,200
on a trip i went to went to uh coral

586
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,200
castle down in florida and i don't know

587
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,799
if you've ever heard of that but that is

588
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:45,679
uh

589
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:48,320
these were giant you know several stones

590
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,200
worth

591
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,840
i mean uh we weighed several tons yeah

592
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:53,360
the little guy that weighed a hundred

593
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:54,320
pounds

594
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,000
somehow moved them and nobody really

595
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,240
knew what was going on and uh so there's

596
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:00,720
all kinds of conspiracies about that as

597
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:04,080
well i had a uh going back to the origin

598
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:05,120
of

599
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,640
director john ramirez on here who claims

600
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,360
he went to a meeting at a conference

601
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:17,600
that was put on by someone in the cia

602
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,320
but it was not classified meeting it

603
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:22,960
wasn't necessarily open to the public

604
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:25,039
but during that meeting

605
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:28,559
um the person running the conference was

606
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,440
saying

607
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,120
that we

608
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:33,120
have been a hybrid

609
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,000
um

610
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:36,080
so many thousands of years ago

611
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:37,919
from

612
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:41,679
aliens i think i want to say that and

613
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,799
surprisingly he said there were um you

614
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:46,640
know most of the people who signed in

615
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,120
had edu behind their mailing address it

616
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:50,880
was a lot of people from

617
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,720
you know college universities around the

618
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:54,960
country i guess supposedly and he said

619
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:57,440
nobody got like out of control upset or

620
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,919
anything they were shaking their heads

621
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,600
as if they heard it before which is

622
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:04,000
really bizarre another another mystery

623
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:05,440
i'd like to find out a little bit more

624
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:06,320
about

625
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:09,840
um it's it's partially true

626
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,000
because there's no doubt that the

627
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,039
different species the distinct forms of

628
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:17,520
humans right from the little tiny you

629
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,320
know

630
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,919
skeletons found out in the philippines

631
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,120
and things like that all the way through

632
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,360
to the giants of legend or whatever

633
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,520
there's no doubt that at different times

634
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,280
those different species found it

635
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,520
necessary to interbreed because the

636
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,360
analysis in particular they've done on

637
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,600
things like neanderthal dna they've

638
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,520
ended up spotting another race in there

639
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,880
which has now become known as the

640
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,360
denisovans they don't even know what the

641
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,840
denisovan race is it's just

642
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:43,919
dna that is not native to the

643
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,440
neanderthals

644
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,039
at the same time there's a couple of

645
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,600
other dnas now that have popped up one

646
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,080
from the east another from the west and

647
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,200
that dna hasn't really been isolated and

648
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,600
then within ourselves if you went to the

649
00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,159
aborigines they've got the highest

650
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,000
current living concentration of

651
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,320
neanderthal dna they're somewhere i

652
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,880
think they're about 22 or 23

653
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:09,520
neanderthal so in terms of us being a

654
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,200
pure pure in the true sense species uh

655
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,280
we're not we're absolutely definitely

656
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,440
not science is discovering that we've

657
00:23:21,789 --> 00:23:18,720
interbred

658
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:21,799
whether any of that dna has

659
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,960
extraterrestrial origin at the moment i

660
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,120
don't think science has completely

661
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,520
established that um not that i'm aware

662
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,159
of uh so like i say he's he's partially

663
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,080
correct to say that we're definitely not

664
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:35,919
a pure race

665
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,080
there's another issue as well there's

666
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,919
there's nothing to say that had we

667
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,919
reached a high society and become highly

668
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,159
developed thousands of years ago

669
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,559
that um i mean let's let's get biblical

670
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:48,159
let's that's talking language that

671
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:50,720
people might understand supposing in the

672
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:53,279
days before there was a flood

673
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:56,880
that somebody like noah's generation

674
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,240
had longer to develop their science then

675
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,039
than we had to develop our science now

676
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:05,120
so we've had about 2 000 years to reach

677
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:06,720
where we are

678
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,080
back then po pre-flood they had about 3

679
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,799
000 years so then that raises a question

680
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,559
what what would they have known what

681
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,720
would their understanding have been of

682
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,640
genetics and dna

683
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,720
how would they have approached that

684
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,400
what priorities would they have given

685
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,760
and how would they have done that in a

686
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,440
different way

687
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:27,279
some people would go even further i mean

688
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,640
if you want to go all the way back to

689
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:30,799
some of the babylonian records and seven

690
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:34,400
and a half 10 000 bc egyptian records we

691
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:37,039
know they started at about 12 000 bc and

692
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:38,400
they had stuff going further back than

693
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,200
that

694
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,279
none of it's really survived not in a

695
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,120
form we can follow but it means that

696
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,039
there have been other races of humans

697
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,440
certainly in the thousands of years that

698
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:49,840
could have had chance to significantly

699
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:52,559
alter the way that we are

700
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,600
now

701
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,760
um so

702
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,840
i'm not ruling it out i wouldn't rule

703
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,279
out that

704
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,440
dna of some kind could have been added

705
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,919
to us from elsewhere you know because

706
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:05,679
we're doing the old mix and match thing

707
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:09,360
ourselves now so that's right yeah

708
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,320
it it it's fascinating i had uh gary

709
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:14,400
knoll dr gary nolan from stanford

710
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,159
university professor there um in

711
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,480
in in this same line of study he was on

712
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,960
recently and during the show he talked

713
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,919
about

714
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,520
a um

715
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:28,559
about life let's see it's basically

716
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:32,080
linear regression of genetic complexity

717
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,480
uh going all the way back to 9.7

718
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,799
uh give or take two and a half billion

719
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:41,039
years which is pretty bizarre if you

720
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,559
think about it considering the earth is

721
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:44,559
only four point something billion years

722
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,440
old

723
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:47,679
yeah so another explainable there's a

724
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,400
there's a white paper on that um

725
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,960
fascinating all this stuff fascinates me

726
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,360
but in in a sense um

727
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,600
i'm i'm i'm on the one hand i've got the

728
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,760
scientific side of me which definitely

729
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:01,360
follows the science but there's another

730
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,720
side because i

731
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,559
as a writer try to communicate to the

732
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:06,320
public so sometimes i play devil's

733
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:07,440
advocate

734
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:11,520
to know what system

735
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,559
he's using to get his dates

736
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,799
because if he came on that's a question

737
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,159
i'd love to ask somebody like that and

738
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,720
say how how are you establishing the

739
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,559
dates it's going to be something to do

740
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,960
with rate of decay or you know amount of

741
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,760
radiation or some of the content of

742
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,760
whatever it is he's analyzing it'll be

743
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,159
it'll be in there somewhere but i'd love

744
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,400
to know exactly how he's doing it

745
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,799
um because i do struggle and i presume

746
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:38,000
an awful lot of your listeners will

747
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,279
struggle as well with these these

748
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,360
enormous figures absolutely

749
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,840
catastrophically large figures which to

750
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,159
be honest with you um the guys with the

751
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,840
giant heads probably got their heads

752
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:50,000
around that kind of number but to most

753
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,279
people

754
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:53,279
you know what i mean

755
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,200
i'm glad and i'm going to send the white

756
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,600
paper to you it's 26 pages long and i

757
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:59,520
will send that to you

758
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,640
let's have a look

759
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,640
yeah i'm not i can't remember exactly

760
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:04,159
where it was published but i know it's

761
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,200
in there

762
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:07,279
anyway uh yeah i was gonna say and then

763
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:08,799
at some point i'll probably come back on

764
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,000
again in the future and try and

765
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:11,679
translate it so that people will

766
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,880
understand

767
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,120
why he's right because that seems to be

768
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,600
my job

769
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,200
here's a question for you going back to

770
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,200
the crystal skulls can you

771
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,360
uh tell us how many confirmed

772
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,000
crystal skulls have been found and he

773
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,919
also puts down there i i know some have

774
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,080
proven to be hoaxes yes i've heard about

775
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:32,000
those two

776
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:33,840
right there's an official and there's an

777
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,080
unofficial answer to that the official

778
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,720
answer to it are you ready for this is

779
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,480
two

780
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:42,720
that's all there is

781
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:47,279
is tiny

782
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,559
the reason i say that is that

783
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,720
archaeologists are absolute sticklers

784
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,480
and if it's not in an archaeological

785
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,039
context and it's not recorded and you

786
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:57,440
can't say that's where i found it

787
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,880
then they will say it's not real now i

788
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,559
know this too because there's one in the

789
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,520
ball park at cobra in the floor of the

790
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,279
ballpark set there you can actually see

791
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,520
it it's a white quartz one and there was

792
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:11,279
another one that came from some aztec

793
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,669
the one in the ballpark again you'd have

794
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,600
to buy the book my point is

795
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,919
because i've not seen any photos of it

796
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:26,080
online that's it there's your book right

797
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:27,679
there dash out and buy that because

798
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:30,159
there's a photo of it in there so if i'm

799
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,440
taking the party line if i'm being

800
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,080
official then the answer's two

801
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,080
if you want to look at how many are

802
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:38,000
claimed to be

803
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,039
true

804
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,679
before mass production

805
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:43,840
and i really do say before mass

806
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,960
production

807
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,279
um the ones that have filtered out into

808
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:49,360
the museum so the british museum the

809
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,799
ones in paris

810
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:52,960
uh the mitchell hedgie school etc

811
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:55,600
there's around about

812
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:58,399
eight or ten of them depending on who

813
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,600
you read and you know uh who you believe

814
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,600
and prize it hands them maybe another

815
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,080
two or three because i've got one

816
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:08,320
so i certainly don't think there's more

817
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,440
than maybe about 13 or 14 of them where

818
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,039
you can actually you can look at the

819
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,200
skull and go that has got

820
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,919
documentary evidence going back to

821
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:19,840
the guy that you know whatever gave it

822
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,399
to museum sold it did whatever it would

823
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,080
have to go back to the first half of the

824
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,000
1800s really you'd have to go back to

825
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,000
the beginning of the 19th century to be

826
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,919
able to say that they weren't mass

827
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,679
producing these things

828
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,159
um so nowadays it's it's almost

829
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,559
impossible now to know where they're

830
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,640
coming from unless they're coming out of

831
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:40,559
an archaeological context

832
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,840
very difficult

833
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,159
yeah i mean you can buy them you can

834
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,640
order one online yep

835
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,000
yeah so and it's not going to be a

836
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,840
nature when i guarantee you that i was

837
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,399
looking at a box of about 200 of them

838
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:54,080
thumb size the size of the end of your

839
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:55,200
thumb

840
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,200
sat there and carved them all and

841
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:58,880
you know so it's it's got crazy it's

842
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,440
going crazy now right right i think you

843
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:02,720
answered this but i'm going to put it up

844
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,840
here anyway i had so many multi-spectral

845
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:07,919
analysis of skulls particularly in the

846
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:10,480
older and more extraordinary ones

847
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,159
has uh any measured any measured effect

848
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,320
been measured

849
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:18,960
again all i can tell you is um what i

850
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:21,760
could discover um i could discover that

851
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,880
um one or two of them have had curling

852
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:27,120
photography done on them to have a look

853
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:28,640
at the energy that the quartz is

854
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,840
producing

855
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,840
now as far as science is concerned the

856
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,240
energy the electricity that quartz puts

857
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,640
out is is a known phenomena it's a known

858
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,880
factor so what you're seeing on curling

859
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:41,039
photography is is

860
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:42,720
real you know it's it's definitely there

861
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,880
it's genuine in terms of multi-spectral

862
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,399
analysis i'm not really sure what you'd

863
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,159
get back other than the impurities

864
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:51,120
inside the the quartz silica that forms

865
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,200
uh the quartz because it's clear quartz

866
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:54,960
so you'd get all kinds of different

867
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,519
readings as i say most analysis that's

868
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,200
done on schools can tell you where the

869
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,679
quartz was mined where it came from

870
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,480
whereabouts in the world it originates

871
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,720
which would rule out pretty fast if it

872
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,480
was made from courts that didn't come

873
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,320
from south america you'd know that it

874
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,039
wasn't aztec or mayan or olmec or

875
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,799
whatever you'd know uh pretty much

876
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,120
straight away but as far as i'm aware

877
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,440
it's not something that has been done on

878
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,080
a big scale uh i mean

879
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:23,440
there's something somebody could do try

880
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,720
to gather as many of these schools

881
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,640
together as as possible and do a proper

882
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:29,120
analysis i do know the museums have done

883
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,399
the micro

884
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,880
surface analysis to have a look at

885
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,240
manufacture

886
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,840
because most of them have come back

887
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,679
claiming that the ones they have a

888
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,960
machine made and they're from the

889
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,120
beginning of the victorian era they all

890
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,720
seem to have wheel marks and scratch

891
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,880
marks on them so i know that analysis

892
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,440
has been done but i don't think modern

893
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,760
science has been focused on any number

894
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,919
of the schools um it's one of those

895
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,600
things i wrote the book for because i

896
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,960
thought you know there is there's a lot

897
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,279
of unanswered questions here we can take

898
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,519
this further so i would treat the book

899
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,000
as a beginning not an end in itself uh

900
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:04,320
more or less so yeah that's that's the

901
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,519
answer really yeah now i i would believe

902
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:08,960
now may be wrong

903
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:12,000
but i might be right that uh quartz or

904
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,519
any crystal

905
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,559
rock crystal would be extremely hard to

906
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,440
sculpt much harder than marble

907
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,440
um do you know

908
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,279
the comparison of the two as far as

909
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:25,519
which is more difficult to

910
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,480
sculpt

911
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,799
well yeah i i i've got a passing

912
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,120
knowledge of geology excuse me a minute

913
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,630
i just don't want to deafen anybody um

914
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,279
in geology we have got a hardness scale

915
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,440
and i know that proper quartz real

916
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:44,399
seriously well made silicon quartz is

917
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,679
extremely hard um it's not as hard as as

918
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,440
diamond or whatever compressed carbon or

919
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,679
whatnot but it is extremely hard and it

920
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,600
is very difficult to work

921
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,120
hence the tool marks being a good

922
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,799
indicator of

923
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,399
you know what's going on because if

924
00:33:01,430 --> 00:33:00,000
there are marks in there then they're

925
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:01,440
going to be really hard to get rid of

926
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:07,350
good thing for that new button you have

927
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,880
there that's good yeah yeah so uh yeah

928
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:11,919
and

929
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:12,799
so

930
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,000
i understand you know as same with with

931
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,399
uh marble sculpting marble it has to be

932
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,880
polished a lot of times they polished um

933
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:21,760
you know

934
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:22,840
i'm sorry

935
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,159
michelangelo used uh pumice and water

936
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,720
and he said um you know a 14-foot david

937
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:30,960
sculpture he yeah i can't imagine how

938
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,750
very very slow process so yeah this this

939
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:40,559
all fascinates me when was the

940
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,440
uh

941
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,440
one of the two you said there are two

942
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:45,200
known you know really

943
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,880
genuine um was one of them in the mayan

944
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,880
ruins and was it in a shaft tomb and

945
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,799
some type of tomb of some type where

946
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:54,000
they found it

947
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:57,200
no the one the one in cobra is set into

948
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,320
the floor

949
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,360
of the ballpark oh that's what you were

950
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:03,519
talking about yeah yeah that that one

951
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,559
and that's life size and it's white

952
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,520
quartz so it's milky it's not clear

953
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,000
it's milky and that is in literally in

954
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,079
bang in the middle of the ball court um

955
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,240
i'm not an enormous expert on the aztecs

956
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:19,440
and mayans but skulls heads play quite a

957
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:23,040
large part in the aztec ball game so i'm

958
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,240
assuming that's the reason why it's

959
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,240
there because it will represent death

960
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,159
and it also represents the ball with the

961
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,760
human head inside it covered in rubber

962
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,200
that they used to play with

963
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,280
so that was probably one of the reasons

964
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,040
why it's there

965
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,119
but that one is not widely known uh

966
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:38,960
nobody's really made much mention of it

967
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:41,599
which is why i'll put it in the book um

968
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,599
i don't think it's been excavated that

969
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:45,440
long either because the bit of cobra

970
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,480
that it's in

971
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:48,000
they've only done about ten percent of

972
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,599
cobra ninety percent of it's still

973
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,000
covered in jungle and snakes and things

974
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,839
so the bit they've done

975
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,919
uh hasn't hasn't been exposed that long

976
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,760
so i don't think that's been widely

977
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,920
reported the fact that that's there

978
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,760
the other one the tiny one which is i

979
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,760
think it's about yeah big i think it's

980
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,440
about i'm gonna

981
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,119
try and do this in centimeters about

982
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:09,119
four four or five centimeters i think it

983
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:09,839
is

984
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:12,480
that's a clear quartz crystal skull it's

985
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:13,760
a proper one

986
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,520
and that came from aztec ruins in um

987
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,760
uh just outside mexico i can't remember

988
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:21,680
the exact village that it came from but

989
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,720
that was it was a site under excavation

990
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:26,640
so it was actually lifted out of the

991
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,839
site by archaeologists now potentially

992
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:32,160
that could have come from a ruined tomb

993
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,200
um

994
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:35,440
but the location unfortunately is it's

995
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,800
difficult to ascertain where that one

996
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,920
came from

997
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,160
um because it's recorded but there was a

998
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,920
comment that was um there was a comment

999
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,280
passed when i was doing the research

1000
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,640
into the schools

1001
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,320
um somebody actually said to me they

1002
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,400
said um i mean this is not in the book

1003
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:50,079
it's this is kind of off the record i

1004
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,760
was speaking to somebody uh in the south

1005
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,440
american archaeological community and

1006
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:55,040
they said do you know what they said if

1007
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,720
we actually did start digging these

1008
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,119
things up no actually no his words were

1009
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,880
if we actually have

1010
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,720
dug these things up

1011
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,160
uh he said they would be national

1012
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:05,920
treasures and we certainly wouldn't be

1013
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,910
yeah

1014
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,560
so you know um because

1015
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:14,240
they would disappear you know these

1016
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:16,079
things would be seriously valuable so

1017
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,680
they don't usually mention it if they

1018
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:19,280
turn up they try not not to say very

1019
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:20,960
much about it really

1020
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:21,920
yeah

1021
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:25,040
has anyone said um this is what i now i

1022
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,400
heard years ago

1023
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:28,480
and it was after i i told you that i saw

1024
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,079
this crystal skull up and at the expo in

1025
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:35,040
canada um but there was supposed to be

1026
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,400
some type of

1027
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,640
like mysterious things happen

1028
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,320
to the people that own them and things

1029
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,800
like that has is there any stories like

1030
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,599
that

1031
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,520
oh there's loads absolutely loads my

1032
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,760
favorite is the british museum one um

1033
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:49,520
because in the 1970s apparently they had

1034
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:53,040
the the school on display their school

1035
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,359
crystal school and it was in its own

1036
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,359
case they had their their own display

1037
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,320
case and the security men kept packing

1038
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:02,720
in the job and leaving because they said

1039
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:05,760
the the problem with this school

1040
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,760
is that when we go in there at night it

1041
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,680
not only does it watch us follow us and

1042
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,520
give us the creeps but occasionally it

1043
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,680
glows blue

1044
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,200
so you can imagine the british museum

1045
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,800
like well you know we're a bit fed up

1046
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,560
with losing security guys here i think

1047
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,640
perhaps the best thing to do is put

1048
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,640
shutters put shutters on the front of

1049
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,800
the case so they ended up they've got it

1050
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,000
now i think they might still have it

1051
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,000
where the case actually shuts now it

1052
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,400
closes at night with the remote

1053
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:32,320
so it doesn't freak out the security

1054
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,359
guards

1055
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,839
and that's quite common you know um i

1056
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,200
mean the one i've got lots of people

1057
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,680
have handled it and it does blow hot and

1058
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,200
cold some people pick it up and go oh

1059
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:42,960
this is lovely it's gorgeous you know

1060
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,560
please can i take this home with me and

1061
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:45,839
then other people will pick it up and

1062
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:46,720
just go

1063
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,280
just put it straight down again so yeah

1064
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,839
i'm sure that there's something about

1065
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,400
the way the skills are made

1066
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,720
that affects human beings on a sort of

1067
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,920
physical

1068
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,720
electrical spiritual level i think

1069
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,640
there's a dimension to them there as

1070
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,280
well uh because they are really

1071
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,040
powerful objects you know they're

1072
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:09,760
they're primal prime evil you know

1073
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,240
they're it's it's we're staring at

1074
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,480
something that that stares back

1075
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:16,240
you know so there's there's definitely

1076
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:17,920
lots going on with them but now the

1077
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,320
british museum's my favorite story

1078
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,119
yeah yeah and i know that one i do

1079
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,280
believe that one has machine

1080
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:28,160
uh marks of being 19th century correct

1081
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,599
well yeah the the argument is that um

1082
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,079
very simply uh the ones in paris and the

1083
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,560
british museum they go back to a dealer

1084
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,920
who was selling aztec and mayan um

1085
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,400
remains selling bits and bobs

1086
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,320
from his shop that's what he did he sold

1087
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:46,960
south american stuff in paris

1088
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:49,359
um between i think it was about 1820

1089
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:52,960
1830 uh up to about 1860 and he's a very

1090
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,520
famous guy for doing it and he always

1091
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,839
sold it with paperwork so you knew where

1092
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,320
these things were coming from um but the

1093
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,400
argument is that this guy sold i think

1094
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,119
he sold about four or five of these

1095
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:07,760
skulls and they were all sold from the

1096
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,640
same shop within the same period at

1097
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:12,480
which point you know the detractors have

1098
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,000
all jumped on board and gone well it's

1099
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:16,880
quite obvious he's making them

1100
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:20,320
but the defense in his defense

1101
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,599
nothing else that he ever sold

1102
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,280
was fake

1103
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,000
hmm none of it and he's selling some

1104
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,240
amazing aztec stuff you're talking real

1105
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,040
gallery museum standard pieces that have

1106
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,800
that have been there you know forever

1107
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,880
they've been in these museums now 150

1108
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,160
200 years

1109
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,400
and he never sold fakes

1110
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,000
so you look at these crystal skulls and

1111
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:44,480
you go well somebody had to make them

1112
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,200
so maybe they're fake in terms of how

1113
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:49,280
old they're supposed to be

1114
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,640
but that doesn't mean that they're not

1115
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,160
crystal skulls made from crystal that

1116
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,960
comes from south america made by aztecs

1117
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,520
or mayans it did

1118
00:40:03,990 --> 00:39:58,720
so

1119
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,000
the jury's still out on that one um i

1120
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:06,319
don't think that you can automatically

1121
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,119
say

1122
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:09,119
that these things are fake i think one

1123
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,400
of them

1124
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,200
had um the water content test i was

1125
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,599
talking about earlier uh performed on it

1126
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,000
which can tell you how much water loss

1127
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:20,000
has gone from the surface of a stone

1128
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,040
object

1129
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,920
and i have to say i think it came back

1130
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,119
as being

1131
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,119
early 19th century

1132
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,040
so whether or not the guy in the shop

1133
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,680
was fooled and you know sold a fake when

1134
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:33,680
he was out there buying the real stuff i

1135
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,800
don't know

1136
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:36,720
but it didn't seem to have more than

1137
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,680
about a 200 year old pedigree but again

1138
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:41,280
you've got this argument you know what

1139
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:42,720
where does

1140
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,520
reality and fakery stop and end i mean

1141
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,200
if it's aztec it's made from south

1142
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,520
american crystal it's made by a mayan or

1143
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,599
an aztec and it's you know it's done in

1144
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:53,760
the real way and it you know it ends up

1145
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,359
being life-size because that's another

1146
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,280
thing as well with these schools i'm

1147
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,040
very fussy with the definition i think

1148
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,880
they need to be

1149
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:03,440
at least the size of a small child or

1150
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:05,920
bigger in order to qualify as as being

1151
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,560
real they've got to be life-sized so

1152
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,599
when you start getting into the

1153
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,079
definitions there's a blurred area a

1154
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,480
gray area which i think probably covers

1155
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,240
quite a few of the schools that uh that

1156
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,880
there are in museums

1157
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,720
until we find some way of doing a better

1158
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,720
job of dating them i think we're gonna

1159
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,880
have to be stuck with that as a as a way

1160
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,800
of of looking at them

1161
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,400
you know we have a

1162
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:30,880
um obviously we have a fascination with

1163
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,440
human heads you know i mean for us to do

1164
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,160
this but uh it is kind of fascinating

1165
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,640
why high technology it'll stop me from

1166
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:39,920
coughing

1167
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,720
there you go but it's uh

1168
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,440
this skull is kind of strange you know

1169
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,599
you'd almost think i mean i see a lot of

1170
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,000
times in you know i i mentioned i'm an

1171
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,240
appraiser and a lot of times i'll go in

1172
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,640
places and you know you see buddha heads

1173
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,119
but the buddha yeah the buddha heads

1174
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:58,640
people don't realize this you see them

1175
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,280
all over the place they were knocked off

1176
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,119
those were full statues that were

1177
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,640
knocked the heads are knocked off yeah

1178
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,280
they can by taurus and you know 100

1179
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,599
years ago and brought because they

1180
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,880
couldn't bring the whole statue back

1181
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:13,119
they'd knock the heads off but and uh

1182
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,480
but you do see

1183
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,480
there is a fascination with heads in

1184
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,800
general i mean you do see that it's kind

1185
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,560
of strange but it's the prominent thing

1186
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,079
we're looking at when we're talking to

1187
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,680
each other yeah i guess that's what it

1188
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,160
is yeah i mean i i occasionally get well

1189
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,839
if all the time i get people bringing me

1190
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,880
things because ah you're an

1191
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,640
archaeologist you can you can date

1192
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,400
something if it's old

1193
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,839
and then you get a lot of the bronze

1194
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,920
buddhas and iron buddha heads and

1195
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,440
whatnot i mean

1196
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,280
they still make them now they might not

1197
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,960
exactly the same way they used to and

1198
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,640
they just go and bury them in a pile of

1199
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,960
dung for like you know a few months

1200
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,880
that's exactly what that's exactly what

1201
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:47,760
they do

1202
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:50,640
um you do that with iron too

1203
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,319
yeah they look like they're hundreds of

1204
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,240
years old that's right

1205
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,319
yeah yeah yeah i do a lot of work with

1206
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,880
that type of thing and have to work with

1207
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,880
um sometimes with experts that really

1208
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,599
know uh exactly what to look for yeah

1209
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:06,319
here's here's another um

1210
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,839
question up here

1211
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,160
this is not about the skulls itself is

1212
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,079
the fascination solely on the mystery of

1213
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,640
creation method or is there some extra

1214
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,800
that people are claiming

1215
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,960
uh anything we can measure and replicate

1216
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,960
i'm i'm wondering if you saw was that

1217
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,480
question may have come up when we're

1218
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,960
talking about the possibility of of of

1219
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:27,200
life uh changing you know as far as

1220
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,960
humans changing

1221
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,119
does this question make any sense to you

1222
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,640
if not

1223
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,359
mystery of creation method

1224
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,000
possibly it might be to do with

1225
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,200
uh creating the skulls even is there

1226
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:43,839
something else we can look at

1227
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,440
to be able to date the crystal skulls

1228
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:49,839
um which i think the answer is gonna be

1229
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,200
this this loss of fluid from stone the

1230
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,359
rate at which it loses fluid will give

1231
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,359
you a rough idea of how much time the

1232
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,920
surface has been exposed um i think

1233
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,440
that's going to be the way ahead so that

1234
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,960
kind of answers that

1235
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,800
so when when you're talking about this

1236
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:07,200
fluid and

1237
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,240
and dissipating or whatever happens

1238
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,119
well you have a stone a solid stone yeah

1239
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,880
you're talking about after you cut the

1240
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:18,000
stone that's when the water i mean the

1241
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,960
moisture

1242
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,160
transfers

1243
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:23,119
i think there's a way i can't i mean i

1244
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,800
don't do this process of analysis

1245
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,280
because it is just so new that um it's

1246
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:28,720
something that's only just developing

1247
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,240
now but i believe that by analyzing the

1248
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,480
stone in other words what's inside it

1249
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,800
and how it's made and all the rest of it

1250
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,880
they can get an idea of what the water

1251
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,000
content

1252
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,640
of that particular rock

1253
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,319
should be

1254
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,400
and then what they do is they go to the

1255
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,440
surface of the rock the actual worked

1256
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:50,480
areas

1257
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:52,960
and look at what the water loss the the

1258
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:56,000
fluid content in that part of the stone

1259
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,280
has been

1260
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,200
and somebody some clever bright spark

1261
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:01,440
has come up with a you know a kind of a

1262
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:02,400
table

1263
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,119
of how long it takes for different

1264
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,680
stones with different content water

1265
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,560
content to basically dry out

1266
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,480
so you can look at a surface and you can

1267
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:14,000
go well you know that's going to take 70

1268
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,200
years for that to dry out or it's going

1269
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,359
to take 200 years for that to dry out

1270
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,200
and what they're doing there is they are

1271
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:21,920
getting some kind of ballpark figure as

1272
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,800
as to how long that has been the way

1273
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,839
that it appears when we find it

1274
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,520
um i think originally it was done to

1275
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,359
identify things like roman sculptures

1276
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,119
medieval sculptures

1277
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,680
i see and as and as a means of appraisal

1278
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,359
you know to to try and decide if it's a

1279
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:39,599
fake or a real one i mean a fake would

1280
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,200
just register as still having the same

1281
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,760
water content as as it had yesterday you

1282
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,599
know because it wouldn't lose any

1283
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:47,760
but if it's been exposed for say 2000

1284
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,319
years it would be absolutely bone dry

1285
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,400
the surface of it would would not be in

1286
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,800
any way shape or form the same as what's

1287
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:57,280
inside the stone itself

1288
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,720
so i think that's roughly speaking

1289
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,960
that's how the analysis works and i

1290
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,400
would see that as being the way forward

1291
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:04,880
for anything that's made of crystal

1292
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:07,280
i see um yeah i know it would be nice if

1293
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,800
someday they could

1294
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,200
actually date things like the sphinx and

1295
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:13,280
the pyramids to know exactly

1296
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,040
you know how old they are but again we

1297
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,040
have those are stone

1298
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:20,079
and but i think i think geologically the

1299
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,440
the amount of damage that's on the

1300
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:23,599
sphinx um you know and the way it's been

1301
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,240
reconstructed as an archaeologist i was

1302
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,800
quite convinced by the

1303
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,480
scenario that that might have been sat

1304
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,240
there for ten thousand years ten and a

1305
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,920
half thousand years i think there's a

1306
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,079
lot of people with that in in mind yeah

1307
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,680
but of course you know like you just

1308
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:39,760
mentioned the the face of it's probably

1309
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:42,160
been re-sculpted oh yeah it's definitely

1310
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,280
not

1311
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,920
none of that sphinx i've actually stood

1312
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:47,599
next to it and i've touched it and i've

1313
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,880
photographed it and walked all the way

1314
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,920
around it and

1315
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,839
it's uh it's what we call over here

1316
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,400
heinz 57 there's 57 different varieties

1317
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,040
of whatever all stuck to that piece of

1318
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,200
rock you know it's not now what it once

1319
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,599
was by any means uh but the original

1320
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,280
bits the bits that are still there from

1321
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,680
from days gone by are convincingly

1322
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,079
extremely old and the pit that it sits

1323
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,680
in

1324
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,440
the sides of it are water damaged and

1325
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:14,000
you can see there's a lot been going on

1326
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,480
uh you know surrounding it that it's

1327
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,720
been inflicted upon it you know over

1328
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,760
time

1329
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,000
i wonder what's underneath that that

1330
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,760
would be interesting well i managed to

1331
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,599
find two entrances there's one be

1332
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,760
between the paws behind the the stone

1333
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:30,160
stele that's there and that disappears

1334
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,599
down the back and then vanishes into the

1335
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,440
front of the sphinx and if you go all

1336
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,680
the way around the back um

1337
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,200
if you don't go on the side where the

1338
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,280
tail is if you go on the other side

1339
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:41,440
just forward of its back pole there's a

1340
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:44,559
very distinct entrance there with a very

1341
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,359
warm set of almost inaccessible stairs

1342
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,280
that disappear down

1343
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,480
and i i believe i believe from fellow

1344
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,400
archaeologists that there are chambers

1345
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,520
under there

1346
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:57,839
that eventually lead to a vertical shaft

1347
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:00,559
that has a black basalt coffin at the

1348
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,720
bottom of it

1349
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,599
really

1350
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:05,040
yeah yeah then it starts getting a bit

1351
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,640
woolly after that because

1352
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,319
there's nothing in the coffin and

1353
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:10,319
occasionally it floods so it's it's not

1354
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:13,119
always easy to get to but then some of

1355
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,240
people are saying that there are

1356
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:16,000
doorways that lead off that are

1357
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,599
corridors that go off from that and some

1358
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,359
people are saying that there aren't

1359
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,520
but um having seen what i've seen over

1360
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,280
the years i i would favor that there

1361
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,720
will be other entrances and other

1362
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:27,040
corridors underneath there the whole of

1363
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,880
the giza plateau is basically like a

1364
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,200
swiss cheese it's just full of holes

1365
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:33,359
it's crazy i went i went riding across

1366
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,559
there on a horse somebody's trying to

1367
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,319
get me on a camel so you could ride

1368
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,160
across a giza plateau on a camel i'm not

1369
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,760
riding across that on a camel no way

1370
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,680
have you ever seen how a camel walks

1371
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,680
yeah yeah and there's just there's holes

1372
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,440
everywhere and we're soaking seriously

1373
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,720
big holes

1374
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,760
anyway

1375
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,960
when we went off for the ride they

1376
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,559
weren't laughing then because i was fine

1377
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,920
i'm there on my horse that's good hey

1378
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,200
this is great the horse is going in

1379
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,960
straight line camels are all over the

1380
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:57,119
place there's all these huge enormous

1381
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,480
holes you know

1382
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,680
i don't know what i was thinking about

1383
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,200
when i said that i thought we could take

1384
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:03,280
calls because we only have 10 minutes i

1385
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,280
have an appointment it's the but you

1386
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,480
know i'm going to have to have you back

1387
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:07,920
on again because this is way too

1388
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,319
fascinating for me but um

1389
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:12,000
um and i'm not going to be able to take

1390
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,000
calls i i did tell everyone at the

1391
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:15,760
beginning of the hour that

1392
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,160
we'll touch a little bit on ufos i don't

1393
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,000
even know how ufos could tie into

1394
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,920
anything at this point we're pretty much

1395
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:23,200
uh

1396
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,559
we're pretty much stuck right in this

1397
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,359
right i i can say i can i mean we seem

1398
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:29,119
to have used the book as a thread so i'm

1399
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,319
going to do the same thing again while

1400
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,160
we've only got the 10 minutes left

1401
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:33,839
i i do say

1402
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,400
openly i am a believer in unidentified

1403
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:37,920
flying objects i have no problem with

1404
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:39,920
that whatsoever um in fact i've got a

1405
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,640
piece of a crashed one in the garage

1406
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,800
here uh which was given to me by a

1407
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,119
recovery team that actually recovered a

1408
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,079
case full um so there is actually out

1409
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,240
there somewhere there's a dvd thing that

1410
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:54,400
i produce called europe's roswell and

1411
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,079
that covers that particular crash

1412
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,559
familiar i remember yeah yeah hearing

1413
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:02,160
about that so you know i'm definitely

1414
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,599
going to have to be talking to you now

1415
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,040
after you just

1416
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:07,359
that bombshell yeah well well i am very

1417
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:08,720
much a believer and if you go back to

1418
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,680
the book i do deal with the issue of of

1419
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,599
extraterrestrial life and

1420
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,839
you know coming in and out of our

1421
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,920
reality i deal with that in the last

1422
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,000
chapter of the book called alien heads

1423
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,720
um but in my particular case i've chosen

1424
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:24,559
to nail my colours to a slightly

1425
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,119
different mast because

1426
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,760
as much as people think that these guys

1427
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,920
you know come flying in and out of

1428
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,480
planet earth from venus and galaxies far

1429
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,000
away and there's something other

1430
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,839
nobody seems to seriously looked at the

1431
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,440
issue of time travel

1432
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,440
and i think certainly now in the 21st

1433
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,520
century i think time travel and the way

1434
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,000
time operates the way time functions

1435
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:48,400
is going to become a fairly major issue

1436
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,839
now obviously as an archaeologist

1437
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,240
historian time is something that's very

1438
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:54,960
very close to my heart so i finished the

1439
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:57,920
book off dealing with this issue of time

1440
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,240
and these guys are whizzing around in

1441
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,480
flying saucers and all the rest of it

1442
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,480
i don't think time is a limitation to

1443
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:06,960
them i don't think that they are

1444
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,599
uh linear in the same way that we are

1445
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,880
and as soon as you start looking at

1446
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,559
things like that some of these guys

1447
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,480
might actually be yours from the distant

1448
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,640
past or they might be yours from the

1449
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,119
distant future yeah exactly all right

1450
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,960
well i want you when we hang up i want

1451
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:22,640
you to i want you to get on your

1452
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,359
computer and look up dr michael masters

1453
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,359
oh absolutely he's absolutely he's

1454
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,800
someone that's been really he's really

1455
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,640
been on this topic he's a friend of that

1456
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:32,720
girl yeah when you send me that white

1457
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,160
paper just a little note on it well yeah

1458
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,160
i'll have to do that tonight but uh so

1459
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:40,000
this is uh we have another question up

1460
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:41,440
here was gonna try to get to all the

1461
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:42,800
questions and we have about seven

1462
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,960
minutes left uh what is the scientific

1463
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:47,520
name of the species homo sapiens evolved

1464
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,280
from getting back to that wow um well

1465
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,680
we're homo sapiens sapiens that's what

1466
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,640
we are so uh we are

1467
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,640
one of the species

1468
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:01,599
and we go back to we can identify as

1469
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,960
clearly around about 43 000 bc

1470
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,280
and believe it or not i think it's a

1471
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:11,280
czech republic i think that comes from

1472
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,559
there's excavations in the czech

1473
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:14,240
republic where they're getting these

1474
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:15,200
very

1475
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,160
clearly us um and that's where they're

1476
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,319
coming from so we we are actually a

1477
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,599
prehistoric fossil species ourselves

1478
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:27,520
um but that at that point that's just

1479
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,720
happens to be the furthest they've got

1480
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,400
us back they just haven't found anything

1481
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,800
before that in terms of who we're linked

1482
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,920
to

1483
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,920
as i say they've isolated neanderthal

1484
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,839
dna in alls

1485
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:39,599
but then the other species people like

1486
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:42,319
the denisovians and the eastern species

1487
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:45,040
of which the two the western uh species

1488
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,079
and these others that they're coming up

1489
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:48,480
with we don't seem to have that dna in

1490
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,599
us

1491
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,480
and so it seems to be a sort of a on the

1492
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,319
one hand a fairly modern fairly recent

1493
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,559
phenomena that we're here but we must

1494
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:58,720
have origins so it's it's it's a very

1495
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,839
good question it's a really good

1496
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,800
question

1497
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,880
i just don't think we've we again as i

1498
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,160
said earlier on we just don't have a

1499
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,079
fossil for that it's not something we've

1500
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,839
been able to find yet

1501
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,119
but certainly i think the digs in the

1502
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,040
czech republic that's their ones to

1503
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:13,200
watch because every so often they come

1504
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,720
out with you know it started off at

1505
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:16,640
something like 32 000 then it went up to

1506
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,520
38 000 then it went up to 40 000. i

1507
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,119
believe the last oldest remains they've

1508
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,359
got now is 43 000.

1509
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:25,440
um and the other question as well i

1510
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,480
should have mentioned it earlier because

1511
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,319
it's quite important is if you end up

1512
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:30,079
with a fossil and there's a lot of

1513
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,599
fossil schools out there there's loads

1514
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,000
of these fossils the problem you've got

1515
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,920
is that it's made of stone

1516
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,920
so you can't carbon date it and you're

1517
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,839
not going to get any dna out of it

1518
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,520
because it's fossilized it's turned into

1519
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:42,480
a fossil

1520
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:43,280
so

1521
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,559
it's a question that we're going to have

1522
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,160
a lot of trouble answering to try and

1523
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,760
find out which one of all these

1524
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:49,839
different things we've got which one

1525
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,319
fits us um so that is actually going to

1526
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,000
be a really difficult question to answer

1527
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,319
a tough nut to crack that one yeah

1528
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,720
here's a here's a question i'd i think

1529
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,079
it's pretty interesting getting back to

1530
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,559
the skulls can we replicate the

1531
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,480
creations method today on a more

1532
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,200
mysterious ones without tool marks now i

1533
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,760
know there's high high pressure water

1534
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:11,920
that cuts stone perfectly

1535
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,240
and i'm not sure of other other tools if

1536
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,640
we have those uh today to to do

1537
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,400
something like that do you know

1538
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:21,040
it's a really good question that because

1539
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,800
i'm gonna go back to the mitchell hedgie

1540
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,319
school because the mitchell hedges

1541
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,359
school's unique because the jawbone is

1542
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,000
separate it separates away so

1543
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,240
anatomically it's probably the most

1544
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:34,480
accurate crystal school we've got

1545
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,799
it's also unique because that's the one

1546
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,720
that really doesn't have any

1547
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:41,359
manufacturing marks on it this is silver

1548
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,160
here

1549
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,480
that's it that's mitchell hedges

1550
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:46,640
uh it's it's just a phenomenal piece of

1551
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,520
work uh personally i think if that was

1552
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:50,960
in the possession of the aztecs and

1553
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:53,359
mayans if they were using that as a

1554
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:54,880
religious object

1555
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,520
people could literally sit there

1556
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,240
for hours and hours and hours and hours

1557
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:02,000
are using all different grades of

1558
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:03,359
abrasives

1559
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,640
to wear it away to wear it down to

1560
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,640
what we've got now and we know that they

1561
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,760
did that because there's a lot of

1562
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,079
prehistoric tools there's loads of

1563
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,559
marble sculptures and whatnot in egypt

1564
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,920
there's lots of things all over the

1565
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,079
place that have been worn away

1566
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:20,480
using abrasives to create the finished

1567
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,520
product

1568
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,280
so that's a pretty good idea pretty good

1569
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,960
suggestion that that's probably

1570
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,720
extremely old because it would take

1571
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,640
quite a few generations to get it to

1572
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,240
where it is now

1573
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,160
also handling i mean

1574
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,000
over time handling wears things away

1575
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,760
just the grit and the grease and the

1576
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,160
acid on your fingers yeah so that might

1577
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,400
be the the last final finishing if you

1578
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,319
like on that school is the fact that

1579
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,640
it's been handled so much over time

1580
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:46,720
um that's the best answer i can give

1581
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,720
really uh i think most of them are

1582
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:50,640
polished that way

1583
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,440
um

1584
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:53,760
that one was just really really well

1585
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,559
polished yeah yeah no you do see that

1586
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,880
you know it's like the worry stones you

1587
00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:00,559
know how they wear yeah like that is

1588
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,760
kind of the thing when you're when

1589
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,520
you're handling something yeah that's

1590
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:05,119
the same thing with what i do in the

1591
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,720
antiques realm a lot of times you'll

1592
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:09,040
find things that oh you can just tell

1593
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,720
just by you can take a look at it and

1594
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,400
say oh yeah this is a period piece

1595
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,640
because of the handling of it well the

1596
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:17,040
cutting's down the classic equivalent is

1597
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:18,480
prehistoric tools because they're made

1598
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:21,040
from flint flint is silicon based uh as

1599
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,720
an archaeologist when i'm dealing with

1600
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,200
uh weird shaped unusual prehistoric

1601
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,520
flint tools usually they fall into the

1602
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:30,000
hand exactly in the right way that they

1603
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,839
were used and when you look at where the

1604
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:33,359
fingers are where the fingers are making

1605
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:35,359
contact with the flint you get highly

1606
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,520
polished wear marks because they've been

1607
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,920
used so that's that is the classic

1608
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,000
process really that is the wear and tear

1609
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:44,559
on silicon that shines up the surface

1610
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,440
that gives you the the the wear from use

1611
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,200
so yeah it's the same thing for us we

1612
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,280
look for the same thing in archaeology

1613
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:53,200
yeah yeah well thank you so much it's

1614
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,400
been a real pleasure and we'll have to

1615
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:56,720
have you back on this is just too fun

1616
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,480
i'll be delighted

1617
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,480
absolutely delighted take take this as

1618
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,640
an introduction i'm more here to promote

1619
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:04,559
the book than anything else

1620
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,680
yeah i'm gonna have to talk to you about

1621
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,920
that crash stuff i'd love to cover that

1622
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,359
that'd be difficult

1623
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,200
all right you take care

1624
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,440
take care all right everyone so that's

1625
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,440
it for the everything else show today

1626
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,079
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1627
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:19,920
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1628
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:23,119
subscribe to this youtube channel and

1629
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,640
click the little notification bell

1630
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:27,359
thanks a lot and we will see you next

1631
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,160
time i don't have a show uh scheduled at

1632
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,839
this point but again that's how you'll